Comments on: A New Kind of Incubation Model. Part II http://vijaysblog.wordpress.com/2007/09/18/a-new-kind-of-incubation-model-part-ii/ a perspective as seen from the trenches. Tue, 13 Oct 2009 07:22:31 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Vijay http://vijaysblog.wordpress.com/2007/09/18/a-new-kind-of-incubation-model-part-ii/#comment-3350 Vijay Sun, 18 May 2008 19:34:24 +0000 http://vijaysblog.wordpress.com/2007/09/18/a-new-kind-of-incubation-model-part-ii/#comment-3350 Ritesh, Yep. But i think it will be a batch or two before they will get their timings right. We'll see. They have a fabulous team behind it. Perhaps they'll pull it off. Ritesh, Yep. But i think it will be a batch or two before they will get their timings right. We’ll see. They have a fabulous team behind it. Perhaps they’ll pull it off.

]]> By: Ritesh Agarwal http://vijaysblog.wordpress.com/2007/09/18/a-new-kind-of-incubation-model-part-ii/#comment-3348 Ritesh Agarwal Thu, 15 May 2008 10:52:49 +0000 http://vijaysblog.wordpress.com/2007/09/18/a-new-kind-of-incubation-model-part-ii/#comment-3348 Vijay, I am new on this forum and I also agree that a model on the lines of Y-combinator will add a lot of value. Recently I came to know about an initiative iAccelerator from CIIE (IIM Ahmedabad) which is more or less like Y-Combinator Vijay,
I am new on this forum and I also agree that a model on the lines of Y-combinator will add a lot of value. Recently I came to know about an initiative iAccelerator from CIIE (IIM Ahmedabad) which is more or less like Y-Combinator

]]> By: mymetamix.com Blog » Blog Archive » Why do many Corporate Incubations fail? http://vijaysblog.wordpress.com/2007/09/18/a-new-kind-of-incubation-model-part-ii/#comment-1867 mymetamix.com Blog » Blog Archive » Why do many Corporate Incubations fail? Wed, 28 Nov 2007 02:25:47 +0000 http://vijaysblog.wordpress.com/2007/09/18/a-new-kind-of-incubation-model-part-ii/#comment-1867 [...] blogs about successful or unsuccessful incubation models. I do agree with several points raised by Vijays Blog on some of the [...] [...] blogs about successful or unsuccessful incubation models. I do agree with several points raised by Vijays Blog on some of the [...]

]]> By: Ravi http://vijaysblog.wordpress.com/2007/09/18/a-new-kind-of-incubation-model-part-ii/#comment-1024 Ravi Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:11:06 +0000 http://vijaysblog.wordpress.com/2007/09/18/a-new-kind-of-incubation-model-part-ii/#comment-1024 Tweeter? I believe you are referring to twitter? Tweeter? I believe you are referring to twitter?

]]> By: Vijay http://vijaysblog.wordpress.com/2007/09/18/a-new-kind-of-incubation-model-part-ii/#comment-983 Vijay Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:14:59 +0000 http://vijaysblog.wordpress.com/2007/09/18/a-new-kind-of-incubation-model-part-ii/#comment-983 Ram, You are right. But that's not going to be the case for long. There is an upcoming incubator which might challenge that in the near future quite aggressively. But you are very much right, most incubators are based out of educational institutes. There are though, some incubators who arent. The results arent that much different, in my opinion. Ram,

You are right. But that’s not going to be the case for long. There is an upcoming incubator which might challenge that in the near future quite aggressively.

But you are very much right, most incubators are based out of educational institutes. There are though, some incubators who arent. The results arent that much different, in my opinion.

]]> By: rAm http://vijaysblog.wordpress.com/2007/09/18/a-new-kind-of-incubation-model-part-ii/#comment-982 rAm Fri, 21 Sep 2007 09:56:46 +0000 http://vijaysblog.wordpress.com/2007/09/18/a-new-kind-of-incubation-model-part-ii/#comment-982 An interesting thing, stanford still is the probably the only institution which can boast of billion dollar startups. !! I don't know if they have an incubator there. But, something worth observing.(considering most of the incubators are based out of educational institutes!) An interesting thing, stanford still is the probably the only institution which can boast of billion dollar startups. !!
I don’t know if they have an incubator there.
But, something worth observing.(considering most of the incubators are based out of educational institutes!)

]]> By: Vijay http://vijaysblog.wordpress.com/2007/09/18/a-new-kind-of-incubation-model-part-ii/#comment-956 Vijay Wed, 19 Sep 2007 23:31:05 +0000 http://vijaysblog.wordpress.com/2007/09/18/a-new-kind-of-incubation-model-part-ii/#comment-956 Venkat, You got me wrong here. 1. Incubators, and everyone that I know of is trying to figure out how to build great companies. Trust me, the amount of work that goes into it and the pain in trying to raise that "seed capital", all for what? At the end of the day any incubator is left with nothing more 1 - 3 % of the company - which is ridiculous. That number doesnt make sense unless the company itself grows to become amazingly well. So, no, this has nothing to do with bashing incubation centres. The idea is to look at, perhaps tuning incubation centres to enable higher productivity, or enable "great" companies. That was the point. 2. I dont think i am the sure word on startup matters. Better or for worse, it is better for people to know what to expect and what not to. 3. I dont believe in "entrepreneurship education". Entrepreneurship is a lifestyle and a way to thinking. You either have it, or dont. I have seen guys coming up with really amazing business models without knowing even the basics of business or having a fancy MBA on market segmentation and marketing. You could probably train a monkey, not an entrepreneur. You can only enable an entrepreneur. 4. "If I get it right, being your own natural self and venturing out to create something pathbreaking (Think Ayn Rand's Howard Roark) works for very few and 99% in this world require the kind of incubation model that is existing." I agree. The 99% of the companies, arent "great" companies either. Can incubation centres churn out good companies? Yes, and they absolutely can. My question and thought is focused on, can they churn on "Great" companies. In literal terms, What is it going to take, and what kinda environment would it require , if a youtube were to come out of an incubation centre, was the question in mind. As for the flaws, they are always there. Even if the system is perfect, we being unperfect will mess it up. But then, thats philosophy. The title doesnt read "Incubators, down down" :) It just says, do we perhaps need a newer model. Just a thought. Venkat,

You got me wrong here.

1. Incubators, and everyone that I know of is trying to figure out how to build great companies. Trust me, the amount of work that goes into it and the pain in trying to raise that “seed capital”, all for what? At the end of the day any incubator is left with nothing more 1 – 3 % of the company – which is ridiculous. That number doesnt make sense unless the company itself grows to become amazingly well.

So, no, this has nothing to do with bashing incubation centres. The idea is to look at, perhaps tuning incubation centres to enable higher productivity, or enable “great” companies. That was the point.

2. I dont think i am the sure word on startup matters. Better or for worse, it is better for people to know what to expect and what not to.

3. I dont believe in “entrepreneurship education”. Entrepreneurship is a lifestyle and a way to thinking. You either have it, or dont. I have seen guys coming up with really amazing business models without knowing even the basics of business or having a fancy MBA on market segmentation and marketing. You could probably train a monkey, not an entrepreneur. You can only enable an entrepreneur.

4. “If I get it right, being your own natural self and venturing out to create something pathbreaking (Think Ayn Rand’s Howard Roark) works for very few and 99% in this world require the kind of incubation model that is existing.” I agree. The 99% of the companies, arent “great” companies either.

Can incubation centres churn out good companies? Yes, and they absolutely can. My question and thought is focused on, can they churn on “Great” companies. In literal terms, What is it going to take, and what kinda environment would it require , if a youtube were to come out of an incubation centre, was the question in mind.

As for the flaws, they are always there. Even if the system is perfect, we being unperfect will mess it up. But then, thats philosophy.

The title doesnt read “Incubators, down down” :) It just says, do we perhaps need a newer model. Just a thought.

]]> By: Venkat http://vijaysblog.wordpress.com/2007/09/18/a-new-kind-of-incubation-model-part-ii/#comment-953 Venkat Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:27:42 +0000 http://vijaysblog.wordpress.com/2007/09/18/a-new-kind-of-incubation-model-part-ii/#comment-953 And coming to YCombinator, it has more flaws than the other incubation models and nobody knows it better than the Slashdot crowd And coming to YCombinator, it has more flaws than the other incubation models and nobody knows it better than the Slashdot crowd

]]> By: Venkat http://vijaysblog.wordpress.com/2007/09/18/a-new-kind-of-incubation-model-part-ii/#comment-952 Venkat Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:21:20 +0000 http://vijaysblog.wordpress.com/2007/09/18/a-new-kind-of-incubation-model-part-ii/#comment-952 Vijay, No system or idea in this world is flawless. This kind of incubation model emerged out of necessity and works well in most scenarios. The flaws that you have pointed out are what incubation centres are supposed to deliver. I'd say, its upto startups, whether to use that support umbrella or work outside of them. Same goes whether or not to seek VC funding. It all depends on the vision of the founder and the primary motto behind the enterpreneur himself (looking for safe exit, create disruptive technology, serve target customers in chosen segement for life etc) Your article would even make enterpreneurship education or for that matter any education a waste as they give similar support if not the same. If I get it right, being your own natural self and venturing out to create something pathbreaking (Think Ayn Rand's Howard Roark) works for very few and 99% in this world require the kind of incubation model that is existing. Vijay,
No system or idea in this world is flawless. This kind of incubation model emerged out of necessity and works well in most scenarios. The flaws that you have pointed out are what incubation centres are supposed to deliver.
I’d say, its upto startups, whether to use that support umbrella or work outside of them. Same goes whether or not to seek VC funding. It all depends on the vision of the founder and the primary motto behind the enterpreneur himself (looking for safe exit, create disruptive technology, serve target customers in chosen segement for life etc)

Your article would even make enterpreneurship education or for that matter any education a waste as they give similar support if not the same.

If I get it right, being your own natural self and venturing out to create something pathbreaking (Think Ayn Rand’s Howard Roark) works for very few and 99% in this world require the kind of incubation model that is existing.

]]> By: Vijay http://vijaysblog.wordpress.com/2007/09/18/a-new-kind-of-incubation-model-part-ii/#comment-948 Vijay Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:48:04 +0000 http://vijaysblog.wordpress.com/2007/09/18/a-new-kind-of-incubation-model-part-ii/#comment-948 Anish: That would be me. I was really hoping to avoid names here.. but sure I'll write about TeNeT and some of the awesome stuff that goes on in here in the near future. Anish: That would be me. I was really hoping to avoid names here.. but sure I’ll write about TeNeT and some of the awesome stuff that goes on in here in the near future.

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